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		<title>Comment on How to Get a Job in Information Security by Orlando</title>
		<link>http://perimetergrid.com/wp/2008/01/31/how-to-get-a-job-in-information-security/comment-page-1/#comment-1439</link>
		<dc:creator>Orlando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Incredible quest there. What happened after?
Good luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incredible quest there. What happened after?<br />
Good luck!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Checks: The Most Dangerous Transaction by Checking Account &#34;Hacked&#34; again! - Page 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Checking Account &#34;Hacked&#34; again! - Page 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2013 04:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Quiz 2. Hackers Eavesdrop Using Legitimate Remote Control Software - Security 3. Stop using checks: Checks: The Most Dangerous Transaction &#124; Perimeter Grid 4. Pay attention at ATM machines: All About Skimmers ? Krebs on Security 5. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Quiz 2. Hackers Eavesdrop Using Legitimate Remote Control Software &#8211; Security 3. Stop using checks: Checks: The Most Dangerous Transaction | Perimeter Grid 4. Pay attention at ATM machines: All About Skimmers ? Krebs on Security 5. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on WPAD: Internet Explorer&#8217;s Worst Feature by abrahamdsl</title>
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		<dc:creator>abrahamdsl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disconnected and then re-plugged my WiMAX modem and then router - that&#039;s the solution in my circumstance against the perennial slow speeds I get from my ISP here in PH. I left my laptop for a while because the modem takes its sweet time to finally negotiate internet access. Then I came back to my laptop, I found this dialog box something like &quot; The server at wpad.localdomain requires authentication &quot;. I&#039;ve encounter similar boxes when doing the modem+Router reset - while internet access is not yet established, it seems the router returns itself as any website requested and thus you have to provide authentication.

And thus googling for that led me here. And I&#039;m using IE10 on Win7 x86 now. By the way this is the first time I am encountering wpad.localdomain and I think Windows Media Center is the culprit - it&#039;s the only Microsoft program I&#039;m running at the moment (of course, the background processes are another story).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disconnected and then re-plugged my WiMAX modem and then router &#8211; that&#8217;s the solution in my circumstance against the perennial slow speeds I get from my ISP here in PH. I left my laptop for a while because the modem takes its sweet time to finally negotiate internet access. Then I came back to my laptop, I found this dialog box something like &#8221; The server at wpad.localdomain requires authentication &#8220;. I&#8217;ve encounter similar boxes when doing the modem+Router reset &#8211; while internet access is not yet established, it seems the router returns itself as any website requested and thus you have to provide authentication.</p>
<p>And thus googling for that led me here. And I&#8217;m using IE10 on Win7 x86 now. By the way this is the first time I am encountering wpad.localdomain and I think Windows Media Center is the culprit &#8211; it&#8217;s the only Microsoft program I&#8217;m running at the moment (of course, the background processes are another story).</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Get a Job in Information Security by JRobert</title>
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		<dc:creator>JRobert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Grant,

I am currently in an Information Security bachelor&#039;s program and I have no idea what direction to take.  Honestly, I just want to get into the industry once I graduate to get the ball rolling.

I saw in your comments you said certs are not necessarily tantamount to job acquisition since this article was written.  This was my interpretation of it, at least, not trying to put words into your mouth.

What type of job do you recommend looking for upon graduation in about another year?  I know that&#039;s a broad question, but could you steer me in a particular direction with a B.S. in IS with no certs?

Thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant,</p>
<p>I am currently in an Information Security bachelor&#8217;s program and I have no idea what direction to take.  Honestly, I just want to get into the industry once I graduate to get the ball rolling.</p>
<p>I saw in your comments you said certs are not necessarily tantamount to job acquisition since this article was written.  This was my interpretation of it, at least, not trying to put words into your mouth.</p>
<p>What type of job do you recommend looking for upon graduation in about another year?  I know that&#8217;s a broad question, but could you steer me in a particular direction with a B.S. in IS with no certs?</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Get a Job in Information Security by Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 07:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Grant,

Just to follow up on my last comment. The drift I get from you is that one is better off diversifying than specializing.
The options I have are getting certification for my skills in Hardware and networking viz A+ and N+and some Oracle Certification courses ie. 
     Linux, Java, MySQL,Database or alternatively acquire Microsoft Certified courses i.e.

    Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP)   
    Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS)
    Microsoft Certified IT Professional (MCITP)
        Enterprise Administrator
        Server Administrator
        Database Administrator 

Please advice .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Grant,</p>
<p>Just to follow up on my last comment. The drift I get from you is that one is better off diversifying than specializing.<br />
The options I have are getting certification for my skills in Hardware and networking viz A+ and N+and some Oracle Certification courses ie.<br />
     Linux, Java, MySQL,Database or alternatively acquire Microsoft Certified courses i.e.</p>
<p>    Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP)<br />
    Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist (MCTS)<br />
    Microsoft Certified IT Professional (MCITP)<br />
        Enterprise Administrator<br />
        Server Administrator<br />
        Database Administrator </p>
<p>Please advice .</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Get a Job in Information Security by Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 06:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Grant,
Thanks for your advice.
Having gone through this information, I feel the most important thing for me to do is gain some hands on experience in the Security field. This is the major challenge. I am based in Kenya where this is relatively new, with nop opportunities.

My background is  a Diploma in IT, currently studying for my undergraduate degree in IT.  Most of the jobs that I have so far done involve hardware maintenance, software installation and elementary network administration. I need  a challenge , unfortunately I have been unable to come by any please advice, as I feel underutilized.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Grant,<br />
Thanks for your advice.<br />
Having gone through this information, I feel the most important thing for me to do is gain some hands on experience in the Security field. This is the major challenge. I am based in Kenya where this is relatively new, with nop opportunities.</p>
<p>My background is  a Diploma in IT, currently studying for my undergraduate degree in IT.  Most of the jobs that I have so far done involve hardware maintenance, software installation and elementary network administration. I need  a challenge , unfortunately I have been unable to come by any please advice, as I feel underutilized.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Get a Job in Information Security by Karan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 20:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks a lot for the quick reply.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot for the quick reply.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Get a Job in Information Security by Grant Bugher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant Bugher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Karan,

I know of very few people in infosec with advanced degrees at all; many don&#039;t even have a bachelor&#039;s.  Experience is regarded as far more important than education, since the security landscape changes so quickly that education and certifications become rapidly obsolete.  If you really want to get into penetration testing and security consulting, you can probably get into that now with one of the major firms (since they&#039;re accustomed to hiring recent college grads and training them), and then leverage that work experience into a more interesting boutique consultancy in a few years.  An MSCS could be very useful if you want to go into reverse engineering, malware analysis, or exploit development, though.

As a a manager hiring technical security experts, I admit I don&#039;t even consider an advanced degree as relevant -- it&#039;s pretty much ignored in the hiring process.  An MSIA may be useful to you 10 years down the line when going for a security management job, but it&#039;s not going to do a lot right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karan,</p>
<p>I know of very few people in infosec with advanced degrees at all; many don&#8217;t even have a bachelor&#8217;s.  Experience is regarded as far more important than education, since the security landscape changes so quickly that education and certifications become rapidly obsolete.  If you really want to get into penetration testing and security consulting, you can probably get into that now with one of the major firms (since they&#8217;re accustomed to hiring recent college grads and training them), and then leverage that work experience into a more interesting boutique consultancy in a few years.  An MSCS could be very useful if you want to go into reverse engineering, malware analysis, or exploit development, though.</p>
<p>As a a manager hiring technical security experts, I admit I don&#8217;t even consider an advanced degree as relevant &#8212; it&#8217;s pretty much ignored in the hiring process.  An MSIA may be useful to you 10 years down the line when going for a security management job, but it&#8217;s not going to do a lot right now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Get a Job in Information Security by Karan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 20:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m about to complete my undergrad degree which is in Computer Science. I want to pursue a career in information security (pen testing, securing systems, security consultant etc). I was hoping to apply for a MS in Information Security/Assurance which is offered by some schools. However, i see that for getting security jobs, one requires at least 2-5 years of experience. I do hold several certifications (MCP, MCDST, MCTS, Brainbench Security Awareness and Internet Security) and plan to gain more of them (security related) in the future(maybe along side a master&#039;s degree) but currently i do not have relevant work experience (have only internships). My questions is: whether going for a MS in computer science with a specialization in security help me to in pursuing the career that i desire (i.e. get some work ex and then transit to security) or should i directly aim for a MS in Information assurance hoping that a more relevant degree will land me a job somewhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m about to complete my undergrad degree which is in Computer Science. I want to pursue a career in information security (pen testing, securing systems, security consultant etc). I was hoping to apply for a MS in Information Security/Assurance which is offered by some schools. However, i see that for getting security jobs, one requires at least 2-5 years of experience. I do hold several certifications (MCP, MCDST, MCTS, Brainbench Security Awareness and Internet Security) and plan to gain more of them (security related) in the future(maybe along side a master&#8217;s degree) but currently i do not have relevant work experience (have only internships). My questions is: whether going for a MS in computer science with a specialization in security help me to in pursuing the career that i desire (i.e. get some work ex and then transit to security) or should i directly aim for a MS in Information assurance hoping that a more relevant degree will land me a job somewhere.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Get a Job in Information Security by gaurang</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaurang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 06:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanx Grant Bugher for nice article, which is helpfulme to change the field]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanx Grant Bugher for nice article, which is helpfulme to change the field</p>
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		<title>Comment on South Carolina Hack Attack Root Causes by Crosson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crosson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 05:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cool. I am still a bit skeptical of the report. 

Yea, At first I was shocked that a member of an ops team would fall for the ole phishing trick but my infosec eng told me a story today where the city of Seattle was granting admin privileges to people whomhad no business having such access. Sad how common it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool. I am still a bit skeptical of the report. </p>
<p>Yea, At first I was shocked that a member of an ops team would fall for the ole phishing trick but my infosec eng told me a story today where the city of Seattle was granting admin privileges to people whomhad no business having such access. Sad how common it is.</p>
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		<title>Comment on South Carolina Hack Attack Root Causes by Grant Bugher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant Bugher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think the initial password compromise via spear-phishing seems unlikely at all; this is probably the most common way to get past the perimeter in a targeted attack.

As for getting the passwords being impossible, while you&#039;re right that they&#039;re stored hashed, a good dictionary attack can often get 30+ of a password file, and that&#039;s feasible even against salted, syskeyed hashes.  With today&#039;s GPU-based hash-cracking, 24 hours work can get you another 50%, though a salted hash like AD uses dramatically increases this time.  And usually you don&#039;t need the password at all in a Windows environment, due to pass-the-hash attacks and such.  Passwords themselves are low-entropy, and it&#039;s hard to get around this problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the initial password compromise via spear-phishing seems unlikely at all; this is probably the most common way to get past the perimeter in a targeted attack.</p>
<p>As for getting the passwords being impossible, while you&#8217;re right that they&#8217;re stored hashed, a good dictionary attack can often get 30+ of a password file, and that&#8217;s feasible even against salted, syskeyed hashes.  With today&#8217;s GPU-based hash-cracking, 24 hours work can get you another 50%, though a salted hash like AD uses dramatically increases this time.  And usually you don&#8217;t need the password at all in a Windows environment, due to pass-the-hash attacks and such.  Passwords themselves are low-entropy, and it&#8217;s hard to get around this problem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on South Carolina Hack Attack Root Causes by Crosson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crosson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like they are hiding or changing key components to the story. 1 sounds unlikely but I suppose it is possible. 4 is technically impossible as it is stated on the report. Passwords are not stored in AD only hashes are. At best the attacker could gain usernames and hashes of passwords but not the passwords themselves. This isn&#039;t really necessary as we must assume the attacker already has domain admin credentials. The only use he could gain here is authenticating as the user so as to cover something up but the password itself that the user uses could not be compromised in this way.

The skeptic in me says this is a cover up for something even more embarrassing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like they are hiding or changing key components to the story. 1 sounds unlikely but I suppose it is possible. 4 is technically impossible as it is stated on the report. Passwords are not stored in AD only hashes are. At best the attacker could gain usernames and hashes of passwords but not the passwords themselves. This isn&#8217;t really necessary as we must assume the attacker already has domain admin credentials. The only use he could gain here is authenticating as the user so as to cover something up but the password itself that the user uses could not be compromised in this way.</p>
<p>The skeptic in me says this is a cover up for something even more embarrassing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on BlackHat USA 2012 by Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, I came across your site and wasn’t able to get an email address to contact you about a broken link on your site. Please email me back and I would be happy to point them out to you. 

Thanks!

Joel]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I came across your site and wasn’t able to get an email address to contact you about a broken link on your site. Please email me back and I would be happy to point them out to you. </p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Joel</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Get a Job in Information Security by Vineet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vineet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i am working in retail sector from last six years but now i want to quit retail sector and want to make my career in information security.
Please advise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am working in retail sector from last six years but now i want to quit retail sector and want to make my career in information security.<br />
Please advise.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Get a Job in Information Security by Gregory Harley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Harley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the article it also has helped me move on to the next step in my career, I recently graduated with a masters degree in network security.  And I now plan to invest interning to get hands on experience, and I will try to acquire my CISSP next.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article it also has helped me move on to the next step in my career, I recently graduated with a masters degree in network security.  And I now plan to invest interning to get hands on experience, and I will try to acquire my CISSP next.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Get a Job in Information Security by Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hie Grant
Thanks for the article it was very useful. Guys i need your advice, i am still studying for my bachelors degree (information systems) and i am doing it part time, i have a great interest in networking security, do you think starting doing  courses for A+ or N+ can help me ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hie Grant<br />
Thanks for the article it was very useful. Guys i need your advice, i am still studying for my bachelors degree (information systems) and i am doing it part time, i have a great interest in networking security, do you think starting doing  courses for A+ or N+ can help me ?</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Get a Job in Information Security by Grant Bugher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant Bugher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jwarn, I know very few people in information security with a Master&#039;s degree; indeed, since the very idea of colleges offering information security programs is relatively new, I&#039;ve never seen a security job requiring anything beyond a bachelor&#039;s degree outside of very narrow specialist fields (e.g. cryptanalyst.)  As a hiring manager, someone with a Master&#039;s degree and no experience is just a more expensive fresh college grad; I&#039;d consider the degree a disadvantage.

However, due to the near-total lack of security programs in colleges, it&#039;s hard to move directly into security from college.  Learn the security field you want to go into, and take a job in development or operations as a appropriate to get some experience before moving into security.  Being able to demonstrate competence and knowledge is more important than having some specific degree.

Sarang, I&#039;d agree that some of the advanced SANS GIAC certifications are pretty good.  As a security professional, one of them would certainly be helpful for moving into a new field -- e.g. if you were a forensic analyst who wanted to move into application security or penetration testing.  I&#039;m less convinced of the utility of the others you mention; around where I work, at least, CEH is totally disregarded (it&#039;s a nonentity on a resume), and a CISM is very seldom going to be a deciding factor for a security management role -- by the time one&#039;s at a technical manager career stage, certifications have less importance than experience.  I can&#039;t speak to ECSA as I&#039;m not very familiar with it and don&#039;t know anyone who has one.

CISSP isn&#039;t vendor-oriented, but it&#039;s quite easy and can be acquired with no experience studying from one textbook.  It would probably take a very broad experience base to pass it without studying, true (I mean, whose work experience includes application &amp; network security, cryptography, GSM radio, bollard placement, and fire suppression systems?), but no one passes it that way and the ISC2 CBK is small enough to learn from a textbook.  This does make it largely a &quot;paper cert&quot; which has devalued it in the industry, but it&#039;s still required to get past the HR gatekeepers in many organizations.

Breadth is certainly valued in the security world; I agree that starting in application security and picking up networking and operations can be lucrative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jwarn, I know very few people in information security with a Master&#8217;s degree; indeed, since the very idea of colleges offering information security programs is relatively new, I&#8217;ve never seen a security job requiring anything beyond a bachelor&#8217;s degree outside of very narrow specialist fields (e.g. cryptanalyst.)  As a hiring manager, someone with a Master&#8217;s degree and no experience is just a more expensive fresh college grad; I&#8217;d consider the degree a disadvantage.</p>
<p>However, due to the near-total lack of security programs in colleges, it&#8217;s hard to move directly into security from college.  Learn the security field you want to go into, and take a job in development or operations as a appropriate to get some experience before moving into security.  Being able to demonstrate competence and knowledge is more important than having some specific degree.</p>
<p>Sarang, I&#8217;d agree that some of the advanced SANS GIAC certifications are pretty good.  As a security professional, one of them would certainly be helpful for moving into a new field &#8212; e.g. if you were a forensic analyst who wanted to move into application security or penetration testing.  I&#8217;m less convinced of the utility of the others you mention; around where I work, at least, CEH is totally disregarded (it&#8217;s a nonentity on a resume), and a CISM is very seldom going to be a deciding factor for a security management role &#8212; by the time one&#8217;s at a technical manager career stage, certifications have less importance than experience.  I can&#8217;t speak to ECSA as I&#8217;m not very familiar with it and don&#8217;t know anyone who has one.</p>
<p>CISSP isn&#8217;t vendor-oriented, but it&#8217;s quite easy and can be acquired with no experience studying from one textbook.  It would probably take a very broad experience base to pass it without studying, true (I mean, whose work experience includes application &#038; network security, cryptography, GSM radio, bollard placement, and fire suppression systems?), but no one passes it that way and the ISC2 CBK is small enough to learn from a textbook.  This does make it largely a &#8220;paper cert&#8221; which has devalued it in the industry, but it&#8217;s still required to get past the HR gatekeepers in many organizations.</p>
<p>Breadth is certainly valued in the security world; I agree that starting in application security and picking up networking and operations can be lucrative.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Sarang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice article but I wonder nobody mentioned about CEH, ECSA, GIAC and CISM. I am CEH and ECSA certified and one can easilly step up in infosec by achieving these certs. CISSP is not vendor oriented and it requires vast exp. Have seen techocrats who are masteros in infosec but still to get this cert cause of its pervasiveness. See, application and network security are totally different aspects. Suggest someone should start his career as application security (SQLi, XSS) and end up with network security, can easilly earn $$...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article but I wonder nobody mentioned about CEH, ECSA, GIAC and CISM. I am CEH and ECSA certified and one can easilly step up in infosec by achieving these certs. CISSP is not vendor oriented and it requires vast exp. Have seen techocrats who are masteros in infosec but still to get this cert cause of its pervasiveness. See, application and network security are totally different aspects. Suggest someone should start his career as application security (SQLi, XSS) and end up with network security, can easilly earn $$&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Get a Job in Information Security by jwarn</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwarn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 15:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems at first glance that getting in on the ground floor with anything but a masters is impossible. What do you suggest I look for with a Bachelors to get to work with little real work tech experience?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems at first glance that getting in on the ground floor with anything but a masters is impossible. What do you suggest I look for with a Bachelors to get to work with little real work tech experience?</p>
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